A Girls Weekend - plans being made.

 From Madam Alice:

We had a hope to have a get together with Carol and Kerri at the New Year, but unfortunately Carol had taken unwell with the flu and was bedded down so Myself and my husband had to entertain John on our own, and I think we managed to keep him entertained!

We re-arranged to have a new get together the weekend after Valentines Day, just billie and myself, down at Carol's on the Saturday, everyone out for a meal and then back to Carols house for an overnight stay of girls/gurls only fun.  Unfortunately a change with Kerri's work schedule has meant that we've had to reschedule once again, but as it turns out it will work out better for all of us.

The last weekend in March - the 24th, 25th and 26th, has now been booked by everyone as a long weekend for us to meet up.  Just not all together!

The boys - John and Carol's B/F Dan have been told that we are having a girls weekend, so John is heading off to see his daughters and Dan will be arranging going fishing probably.

As for us Girls, the plans are already being laid.  I'll be heading to Carol's on the Friday morning but I'll be leaving billie behind at home, I want to have a very lovely weekend with my Mentor and Girlfriend.  Having not seen her for months I can't wait to see her and to spend some quality time with her.

And what about billie, well that lucky sissy will play host to Kerri at our house.  The only thing is that we don't know if it will be Mistress Kerri that turns up or kerri his girlfriend.  If it is Mistress Kerri then I can imagine that billie will have a lovely weekend in his short maids uniform serving his Weekend Mistress.  I'll give her full access to use my bedroom and study with my punishment toys, mind you she would probably bring her own toys.

If it is kerri his girlfriend that turns up then the two of them will be staying in the Maids room together, having some gurlie fun no doubt. I've already told billie he will not be unlocked that weekend but Kerri/kerri might be...if he plays his cards right!

I have a suspicion that billie is already REALLY looking forward to it, he has already booked a restaurant for the Saturday night, probably wants to try and impress Kerri with the hope that she'll want to get into his panties. 

Hopefully there will be no more cancellations or changes, as we've all been in need of meeting up and catching up with our Mentors and very special friends Carol and Kerri.  Looks like we both have plans to make for the end of March.

You are what you wear

The last 2 weeks have been busy on the work front for both Madam and myself, we've both had trips away and it has meant that we have spent a few days where our paths have only crossed briefly.  So this post is quite appropriate.

For me there are quite a lot  of times when I have to go out into the vanilla world to do real life tasks or for work. When I do, I need to make sure that I'm dressed the part and appropriate. But there is always the need to meet Madam's requirements of our FLR and marriage.

For example a normal Friday morning is when I take a trip out to get the weekly shop. To the wider world I'm a bloke wandering about the supermarket with a trolley and a hand written grocery list. what most don't see is under the Rugby Shirt, jeans and fleece Jacket is the Bra, panties and suspender belt holding up the stockings. Come the summer things normally change to replacing the bra for a cami top.

why bother? why not just put on your jeans and shirt and go shopping?

Well because Madam wants me to always have female underwear on, to always have some form of hosiery on my legs.  During the winter these can be opaques, or if they are lighter deniers then I will have opaque knee highs on as well.

I own very few male dress socks now, most have been replaced with 60 denier knee highs.  The same goes with my male underpants, there are a couple of pairs put to one side in a drawer with my male socks.  Most of my male socks are thick socks for when I have to wear site boots, wellies or if I'm going to do some serious walks (which I occasionally do as a way of getting some exercise without annoying my knee too much).

My day to day knickers are normally from Marks & Spencer and will often be a multi pack of Full Briefs or Brazilian cut briefs, and normally nylon or modal material.  That helps to keep my fancy pants for specific jobs at home when fully in billie mode.

As for stockings I continue to use Charnos 24/7 15 denier stockings, they are a plain top and come in a 2 pack.  They are a good everyday wearing item.  That gets matched up with one of my suspender belts.

when it comes to vanilla work wear, I'm at the stage now where I tend to wear Jacket and trousers.  Often it will be a tweed jacket but the trousers will be a suitable type that would match - tweed, chinos, jean cut (but not blue denim - I feel too old for that) and I also have got in to the habit of wearing a waist coat.  The idea is to try and look smart for the meetings without being too formal and stiff (but I do like Traditional and Madam does like her husband in tweed as well as lingerie).  I also try and use coloured or checked shirts.

This whole set up works really well with wearing my lingerie underneath.  The coloured shirts and waist coats allow me to wear a bra, even when  take my jacket off.  The trousers are thick enough to allow the stockings and suspenders to be worn and the suspender clips are not completely noticeable (you'd see them if you went looking for them) and the leg length, even if they rise up when I sit in a low chair is covered by the use of the knee highs and the way they look like thin dress socks.

 The only sort of variation on this is when we head to see Madam's family, this normally means that I will switch to either tights or hold ups as the risk of being hugged tightly by a family member (Ellie!) is quite high, so no suspender belt or bra.

The last thing to bear in mind is what to wear to hide your chastity as well as comfort, The cut and style of the trousers does have a impact and as I found to my cost with one cage that having trousers that are too close fitting or of a material that is to stiff or unyielding can be painful - I had a CB-6000 cage split on me when we were driving and I had on a pair of jeans, and that I can assure people is bloody painful.  when I was wearing slightly larger cages I tended to go a size up in waist size of the trousers this tended to give more space in the bum and the groin area.  Its more about the sitting down rather than the standing.  

With the smaller metal and resin cages I can get away with my normal size trousers.  A word of advice - Have shirts of a good length (front and back) and wear a belt with your trousers, unless you want to expose the tops of your knickers, suspender belt or tights to the world.  OK I accept sometimes that risk of exposure is the risk that some people want/ crave. For me it is a case of being discrete about my undergarments when in male mode.

It has been interesting chatting with other submissives about what they would and do wear and there are similar variations for what they wear for public and professional/ working life.  

Some of it relates to how public you are with your home life, how comfortable with being seen as a submissive or sissy.

For some it is just a case of just wearing panties is enough to either give thrill or for their partners to have control over them by forbidding them to wear anything other than women's knickers.

There are 2 particular examples from my working life that I remember.  One chap that I worked with always wore silk and satin french knickers and was very open about it saying that he found them very comfortable and "felt great".  There was no submissive or sissy aspects, just someone with a liking of silk/ satin underwear and at the time there probably wasn't a lot of male boxers in that material, added to which he wasn't afraid to show people if they asked or if he'd was out on the piss.

The other example was a slightly different reason, a bloke that I had worked with on projects for a number of years and had a reputation for sleeping around - which had cost him his first marriage - was required by his second wife to always wear her knickers from the previous day as well as have his toe nails painted with bright red nail polish.  This was her way of reducing the likely hood of  him straying.  I would think if that was today, my fellow Site manager would have been placed in a chastity cage by his wife!

Having spoken with SaraE on this topic is about wearing women's knickers for her, as she puts it any type from Granny Panties to Thongs are what she likes.

Kerri, tends to be Enfemme most of the time when not at work - She is a TV not TS  - but for work she needs to be a little bit more conservative with the way she dresses.  Jacket shirt and tie are a requirements, so she says that her rebellious streak has her wearing Cami tops, suspender belt, stockings and panties.  while her shirt tends to be a woman's shirt (hard to notice when your tie covers the buttons) and she removes all of her earrings apart form a set of plain stud earnings. 

A TS friend that I have and chat to regularly works on trying to have an androgynous style of dressing, she works in a sector that would be very open and welcoming to her turning up to work fully enfemme but as she puts it, that just wouldn't work with her personal life, but she feels that by selecting a mix or styles of clothing she can feel very femme without attracting too much attention to herself.  In her case I have seen her being able to change her look just be altering the way she does her hair and with a little bit of make up (and I do mean just a little bit.) and occasionally by changing an item or colour of clothing, she can switch between Male, Androgynous and Female quickly and easily.

I had a good chat with Poppet over this and it very interesting to understand what we wear and what we are open or shut about doing and wearing.  The differences for Private, social, public and Professional can be completely different and for all of us what we are wearing at that particular time or role can change the way we behave or present our selves to our variety of audiences. If you have been to Poppets Blog (and I strongly recommend that you do - Link in the side bar) you will know what a shameless exhibitionist slut she is (❤❤💋💋 all said with love!), and with confidence (and she has that in shovel loads) you can carry that off in public - while we Brits often get accused of being prudes we are really quite taken with Eccentric behaviour and having a confidence can carry things through and it's surprising what you can get away with.  Also when you are in the face of the public- either at work or play, if you're just getting on with "stuff" most folks with either ignore it or "tut, it just the way he is!"

So for all the submissives sissies out there  - Wear what you are comfortable wearing, in a way that works for your relationship, your life and your work.  And just remember we are what we wear.

Updating the Blog

 From Madam Alice:

Currently Mick is travelling home from 2 days away with work so this evening I have been at a loose end and have been doing a bit of tinkering with the blog.  Some of this has been long planned changes and others has been just been a bit of trial and error test.

The first improvement is that we have finally managed to make the blog dual author.  Previously when I did any updates or blog posts it was done via billie's log in.  That was the reason why I always stated my posts with "From Madam Alice" and then added the same image.  The aim was to clearly show that this was my post and things would be from my perspective otherwise there could be some confusion.

If you look up in the top right of the side bar you will now find that in the "about us", it now lists both of us.  It also means that I can do my own posts and respond to comments using my own log in rather than having to share billie's profile and log in. 

I will continue to start my post with my tag line but I can now have my own selection of images to use, The old one, Alice in Weirdland, is back and a few new ones as well, I hope you like them!

Alice in Weirdland

The other thing which I have done is to create another page at the top of the blog, "billie's Weekly Routine".  This takes the routine from the Madam's domestics blog post but also adds a few of the other requirements which I have applied, or is that imposed, on billie? (you will have to ask him).  So if you want to know what my dear husband will be wearing to bed tonight go and have a look at that page - billies-weekly-routine page.  We may have to do another show and tell post on the night wear of a sissy husband, what do you think?

I will finish here as my husband should be home soon and I'm in the mood to tease my lovely caged cuckold hubby when he arrives. 

Everyone have a good evening!

Alice (Madam) 

The Maid's Panties

 As requested by Sara,

A short post on some of the types of panties that get worn with my maids uniforms, principally the French and the cuckold maid uniform.  This is not some definitive list of the different types of panties that must be worn with maids outfits, only what I have and use specifically with my maids uniforms.

First off is my routine maids knickers/ panties.  These are all satin with white lace around the legs and the waist band.  The lace is soft and not too much.  these are very comfortable to wear and the Satin is very kind when wearing chastity cages, particularly if your foreskin pokes out.

They hug the bum really well and allow the suspenders to be shown. 

The next ones look very similar, as an all satin panty with white lace at the leg openings, however these ones have a Ruched Back to them, that is when the rear of panties are gathered in to the centre of the back and they really hug your arse, following the crack of your bum.

These don't have lace on the waist band, just on the leg opening.  The seamstress who made these had the Ruched Back as an option on most of her panties that she made.  If you are buying from a Ebay seller that makes their own outfits then give them a call/email prior to ordering to see if they can customise the items for you.

These are very similar to my routine knickers, very comfortable and supportive of the cage.  The lace at the legs isn't scratchy so pretty good.

With the rear view you can see how the ruching pulls the satin onto the curve of the bum and the centre seem is snug in on my crack of the arse.  These are really comfortable and I don't feel the need to try and pull them out of my bum.

Another view of the front.

The next pair are again a satin pair of panties this time with more white lace/organza edging.  A bit more fancy, but with the added feature of being fully open crotch - front to back.

All of the openings are elasticated, the satin has a nice feel to it as well - but there is no support as I'm fully exposed. 

These tend to be worn with my short Maids uniform (my cuckold uniform) so that Sir can see that I am caged.

These don't have lace on the crotch opening, you can get them like that and I have had a pair in the past but a point to note, unless the lace or organza is soft then it can be rough around where it meets your cage, Also Sir wasn't keen on the lace edge of the crotch opening, as he put it " very nice to look at but a bit uncomfortable when fucking your arse! take them off!" -just a practical thing to note, so that why this pair doesn't have lace at the crotch.

The next set is a must for all sissy maids, the ruffled panties!  These can come in a whole variety to types from satin with fully covered in ruffles or just the bum or as these ones they are a sheer black nylon with ruffles front and back.

Madam wanted these so that she could see my cage as I worked about her.  These seem to be a particular favourite of hers when I bring her breakfast in the morning.

As you can see they are quite high waisted, but I think that is so that each layer of the ruffles can be kept separate, you do get some where the ruffling does overlap a lot, if that is your thing then go for it!

The nylon on these is quite soft and doesn't cause a problem with my chastity and any exposed clitty skin.

You can see that the lace layers are narrow and well spaced apart.  The knickers hug the bum quite nicely.

Something to note - when you go looking for these types of knickers just check that they are maids knickers and not Adult baby knickers otherwise you will end up with a rather baggy bum as the AB versions are designed to take a nappy - not our type of thing, we like things to be snug and well fitting!

Lastly we have a Sheer Organza pair of panties but with the addition of a lace edged cock and bum hole.  Again you can get these in satin or nylon.  there are plenty of Ebay sellers that make sissy items that will add then the openings to the panties.

One of the things to point out to who ever makes them is to make sure the hole is sized to allow your balls and chastity to get through. one pair that we had in the past was only sized to allow my clit to poke through.

The rear hole should line up with your sissy hole, so you might have to send over some measurements to the seamstress and also you may need to tell her what you will need the hole for, Adding or removing a butt plug or if your Mistress or Master plans on using you through the hole, if it is the latter then don't be too small with your opening size.

This pair is to allow Madam or Sir to remove or add one of the buttplugs.  These tend to be worn with the short maids uniform, again it is because it has me fully exposed and on display.

 I've inserted a bit of white paper to highlight the lace around the openings.

There you go, a bit of a rummage through my knicker drawer.  Hopefully that was useful and hopefully the rationale behind each type might be a help to someone.

Regards

billie xxx

  

The Last Christmas Present arrives

Due to issues with the postal system in the UK, strikes and such like, some of our Christmas Presents were delayed in arriving.

Madam informed me on Christmas day that a couple of my presents hadn't arrived and hopefully they would arrive by the new year.  The first one that arrived just after the new year was my new cage - the Nano, and once it arrived it was duly fitted. pushing me down from the previous Small Cage to the Nano, its a lot shorter but still very comfortable for everyday wear.

The other present only arrived on Saturday and when it arrived Madam immediately took it to her study and I was given orders to go be busy else where! The weather was somewhat crap so I decided to go and be busy in the kitchen.

After lunch I was told to follow Madam and Sir to her study.  Slightly nervous I entered and curtsied and was presented with a Christmas paper wrapped box and told that this was my missing present from Madam.  I was told that I could open it now.

With a bit of trepidation I unpeeled the wrapping and wow! Madam had got me a pair of 4" stiletto heeled ankle boots.  Madam told me to try them on to make sure that they actually fitted, which thankfully they did. With a small bit of adjusting of the laces they were perfect.

Madam had gone up a size from my normal shoe size, as that was the recommendation for male wearers and also if they were to be worn for long periods.

So what do you think?

They fit a treat and are very comfortable, they aren't too big.  They fit really well at the top above my ankle.  The buckles and straps are for show (Madam had hopped that they would have gone round the side Zips so that she could add padlocks at the buckles to lock them on my feet).

So far they have been very comfortable, and I wore them all afternoon and evening yesterday and most of today. they look like the ideal addition to my Short Maids Uniform.

Madam certainly likes then as she insisted that I kept them on last night when I was serving her. 

billie xxx

Whats in a Name - Madam Alice

 From Madam Alice.

Poppet asked an interesting question about whether John is viewed as my partner/ Boyfriend by those that I work with.  The simple answer is Yes, they do.  There are very few people around where we live and work that don't believe that John and I are a couple in a long term relationship.

This is flipped when we go back upto Leicester to see the family, where myself and Mick are very much the married couple.

To explain this I was going to repost some posts from the old blog but I thought that I could perhaps add some detail that would explain a lot better how this all came about.

We started the FLR when we lived in Leicester in 1998/99 and it really started in earnest in 2000 when I reached out to Carol, with the Guidance and development from Carol I learned to develop and become more confident with myself and to take ownership of our marriage.  This was not a one sided matter, Mick was very much part of the conversation and also very involved in making the decisions - this was not me telling and him doing, it was lots of talking, understanding each other and agreeing what we needed to do and what we wanted to do.

Mick was on the mend from his breakdown and he was the one that recognised that our sexual side of our relationship need to change.  He was really concerned that I was getting sexually frustrated.  At the same time I was learning from Carole that I had a Bi side to myself and also about the cuckolding side of Carole's relationship with her husband kevin/ kerri.

Mick had already suggested that he would be OK with me having an affair or one night stands of it would meet with my sexual needs.  I want to point out that Mick was not pushed or forced into that, he came to me and we talked it through, he was worried that I might go looking for a relationship else where and this was his way to offering to keep the relationship together.  

Well he got probably the second biggest bollocking of his life (the first was when he was well enough after his breakdown to know that I was angry at him for doing what he did), he was bollocked because if there something in this life that is certain and that is that I love Mick and I had never even considered or thought of leaving him! I get so much from my husband that the physical aspect is way down the list of why I love him and why he is my partner and soul mate. (sorry if that was a bit too sickly and lovey dovey but it is a fact).  Mick was,and still is, a very good and considerate lover, it was just a fact that his breakdown had impacted on him physically as well as mentally and it was going to take quite a bit of time before he was starting to improve physically and sexually.

By creating our FLR and allowing me to become the Alpha and Mick to be the beta we stabilised the marriage and it gave a good base for Mick to recover.

We found that by creating different characters for ourselves we could have a the FLR as our normal routine but also have a vanilla face for the outside world.  So we created billie and Madam and kept Alice and Mick for dealing with Friends and Family.

The chance of getting a promotion at work and the need to move to another branch of the Parent Company threw up a number of possibilities for us.  We could normalise the new relationship, really make it the daily routine.  

It was Mick that made the suggestion that got both of us thinking.  We were moving to a whole new area, this branch of the company were not directly linked to the Leicester company, so there was an opportunity that I could go and have the occasional night out and perhaps have an occasional fling.  

Mick was already negotiating on the house, which while it was a renovation nightmare, it offered a rural location with very few neighbours, the ability for Mick to work from home with his Consultancy business and it was close to work but not too close.  Micks suggestion was that when I start at the new job just drop the Mrs Luff and use Ms Luff, "don't tell just let them assume that you are single/ divorced or what every they liked".  As it turned out we didn't need to do any of that, the Leicester HR department did it all for me.

I left school and started with the company in Leicester in the admin office, so I was registered with the company with my maiden name.  I worked at various roles in the company until I was allocated to one of the Senior Engineers as his department's admin support, he spotted that I was quite useful with the design and project teams and suggested that I get some training to become part of the Project Teams rather than the admin assistant.  At this time I met Mick and 2 years later we are married.

I didn't realise that no one in the HR department had updated my details to have my married name. For all of my time in the Leicester company, my department used my married name but the system still had my original surname.  

My boss encouraged me to apply for a promotion and move into one of the Project teams at Milton Keynes, that branch was expanding and they wanted Junior Project Managers so I applied.  The company had a policy that all applications and CVs would have personal details removed and a simple candidate number was added.

The result was that at no point in my application or at the interview was my surname used.  Luckily I got the job and my personal file was moved from the Leicester office to the Parent Company Office in London and then out to the Milton Keynes office still showing that I was a Miss and with my Maiden name.

The details of all of this came to light for us when the company sent out a welcome pack, I showed it to Mick and he just told me to go with it, arrive and be the new Madam Alice using her old maiden name.

Fast forwarding to when I met John, it had been through a dating site that dealt with Married Women to find men for "fun". we met and I explained from the very start that I was seeing John with the full knowledge and consent of my husband.  John was curious but not shocked, he'd previously had a short relationship with a couple where the Husband liked to watch his wife fuck her boyfriend.  I explained that we were not quite like that and that we were in a Female Led Relationship.  John acknowledged this and our first date together had a very interesting conversation where John asked lots of questions, not in a bad way, but in a very deliberate gathering knowledge type of way. He also liked the fact that I was using my maiden name.

On our second date I found that John had done quite a bit of research and he was well prepared with questions that added depth and detail to what he had learned.  He also told me that If this was going to become longer term thing then he would like to be more public with me.  He made it very clear he was not looking for Marriage  or to break up a marriage.  At this point I was starting to think that we had potential here with John.

Over the next few weeks and months, the relationship was working very well and John made it clear that he would like to meet and talk with Mick, just to make sure that all of this was true.  We  all meet up and the conversation was very good, open and honest from all three of us.

John followed this up with a couple of meetings with Mick on his own, again this showed us that we had a individual that was open to, but also understating, of the way we lived and wanted to develop.

billie's post from November 2018 covers it rather well from his perspective while focusing on the rules for John and billie's relationship, The link is below and it is worth going back and having a read of it

https://subhusbandsflr.blogspot.com/2018/11/

I've also extracted the important parts:

John would become Alice's boyfriend, John had no problem with Alice and Mick's relationship (he had one stipulation and I'll cover that shortly) but billie would have several conditions applied to him and they would require to be implemented prior to John coming to our house. 

John asked Mick to purchase a small jewellery box to be given to Alice as a gift and in it he would like me to place my wedding ring and to give it to Alice, Alice could then place her engagement and wedding rings in the box together.  John's thinking was that Alice and he would be boyfriend/ girlfriend but Alice and Mick would still be very much married and having the rings all together would be a symbol of that union.  A nice touch and I did get it, even though it would appear she was single by not wearing rings I got the symbolism of the rings being together.  

Master would now be Madam's Boyfriend and as such he would be socialising with her in the local area.  billie was to stop socialising with Madam in any local restaurants and bars.  Master wanted the ability to take his girlfriend for meals  and nights out without any embarrassment to him or to Madam.  If billie wished to take Madam out for an evening then it would have to be done further a field (London). 

billie will be required to drive Madam and Master out on their local dates and collect them at the end of the evening. 

with everyone in agreement and aware of each others wants, needs and limits we started our 3 sided relationship, with the public face being that John and I are a couple.

Some people at work keep expecting that there will be a wedding between us, but we keep pointing out that John has been married before and that was not a good part of his life so he doesn't want to get married again (which is totally true), but it provides a good way to shut down any marriage suggestions.

The only time that I've had questions asked about who Mick is was by a couple of people at work in the early period when I started working there, and we had come up with the explanation that when I bought the property there was a Office and a Storage area on the site that the previous owner rented it out and I've continued to do that to Mick to run his business from them, "The rent has helped to pay for the renovation of the house overs the years".  It seemed to have worked as a reason.

That has been quite a long post just to say that to the majority of people that we know locally see John and I as a couple.  Hopefully it adds some context.